Comments on: The Trouble With The Web … http://corycollier.com/2009/07/the-trouble-with-the-web/ Web Developer and System Administrator in Orlando, FL Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:14:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1-alpha By: David Rogers http://corycollier.com/2009/07/the-trouble-with-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-280 David Rogers Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:56:32 +0000 http://corycollier.com/?p=517#comment-280 I agree with you guys, undercutting is a problem, but I also feel that hourly rates are also something of a problem. Pegging our work, which is undeniably creative, to hourly estimates and bean-counter-grade time tracking further demeans the "art" of development, denigrating what we do and create into the realm of "technician" or "computer operator". No one asks an artist for his hourly rate and neither would any but a fool pay an artist hourly (Now, Michelangelo, did you track your hours exactly here?). Part of the problem is undercutting; another part is comparing ourselves to oranges. BTW, try setting a transparency on the "comment" box or using a gray instead of the white. It's a little stark. New site looks awesome, though. Keep it up. I agree with you guys, undercutting is a problem, but I also feel that hourly rates are also something of a problem. Pegging our work, which is undeniably creative, to hourly estimates and bean-counter-grade time tracking further demeans the “art” of development, denigrating what we do and create into the realm of “technician” or “computer operator”. No one asks an artist for his hourly rate and neither would any but a fool pay an artist hourly (Now, Michelangelo, did you track your hours exactly here?). Part of the problem is undercutting; another part is comparing ourselves to oranges.

BTW, try setting a transparency on the “comment” box or using a gray instead of the white. It’s a little stark. New site looks awesome, though. Keep it up.

]]> By: Erik Baldwin http://corycollier.com/2009/07/the-trouble-with-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-279 Erik Baldwin Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:23:46 +0000 http://corycollier.com/?p=517#comment-279 I see this as a giant problem in the web community; both developers/designers and the "client". I see it as a lack of initiative from the developers & designers to inform these potential clients that are under the impression that $10/hr is suffecient to get what they want that it is in fact not. we, as a community, should not just scoff at these ridiculous pay rates, we should embrace them and see what the potential (under informed) client is actually willing to spend as a whole; what is their total budget if they are planning on spending $10/hr. if they simply state that they don't want to spend, or simply can't spend more than $600 on their intended project, we (successful, creative, unique) developers and designers should show them what they can get for that amount of money. Most, if not all, web professionals should have a multitude of projects in their portfolio that display different budgets. meaning that we have all done $1000 projects and that we have done $10000 sites. As a community, we can solve this issue. I see this as a giant problem in the web community; both developers/designers and the “client”. I see it as a lack of initiative from the developers & designers to inform these potential clients that are under the impression that $10/hr is suffecient to get what they want that it is in fact not. we, as a community, should not just scoff at these ridiculous pay rates, we should embrace them and see what the potential (under informed) client is actually willing to spend as a whole; what is their total budget if they are planning on spending $10/hr. if they simply state that they don’t want to spend, or simply can’t spend more than $600 on their intended project, we (successful, creative, unique) developers and designers should show them what they can get for that amount of money. Most, if not all, web professionals should have a multitude of projects in their portfolio that display different budgets. meaning that we have all done $1000 projects and that we have done $10000 sites. As a community, we can solve this issue.

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